Subject	it's never cost effective to optimize performance
Posted by	aliaZ on November 24, 2004 at 4:50 PM
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In Reply To	If the same engineers built every engine so it operated posted by DAYTONAZ on November 24, 2004 at 04:12 PM
Message	OEM's have to compromise on performance for the sake of cost, otherwise they would never sell any cars. Besides, the average consumer could care less.
Follow Ups	Even my 3-year old son knows proper plug selection. >> - Ash's Z 12:48:22 11/24/04 cool (n/m) - PiranhaTT(GO STEELERS!!!) 12:56:17 11/24/04 intersting.. i dint kno about the plug difference (n/m) - 90BlkZ18 12:59:02 11/24/04 Thats one bad ass kid (n/m) - mxsprocket1 13:00:58 11/24/04 Aight (n/m) - DubsZ 13:02:24 11/24/04 good first pic showing the differences. (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 13:22:58 11/24/04 Ash, speaking spark timing, the more central the - AzHeat 13:33:30 11/24/04 Actually that theory is in proven use in aviation. - DAYTONAZ 13:44:51 11/24/04 I had a 81 Datsun 200SX that had 2 spark plugs per - AzHeat 14:08:27 11/24/04 Bombardier uses dual plugs in there DS650 quad, for emission - Tissan© 14:49:14 11/24/04 last time i checked... - genic 14:53:02 11/24/04 They're both reciprocating engines, how's that? (n/m) - DAYTONAZ 15:56:07 11/24/04 I think that's mostly for redundancy - Marshall 14:57:05 11/24/04 bet that if the plugs were beside eachother rather then - Borg79(ON) 17:01:29 11/24/04 So by that rationale it has potential to make more power - Ash's Z 23:35:41 11/24/04 Chamber design, spark plug placement affect how - AzHeat 13:49:21 11/25/04 I really dont know the answer to that. - Ash's Z 15:44:02 11/25/04 From your post yesterday it does make a didifference - DAYTONAZ 13:39:41 11/24/04 S whats the point of Nissan putting in a TT plug? - Blu Z 13:40:39 11/24/04 Clearly you have no idea what stock heads look like. - Kenny 13:46:55 11/24/04 search won't find that. - Marshall 14:10:52 11/24/04 this is just one of the examples as to why i asked if - genic 14:22:26 11/24/04 That's what I thought, and I'm not going against Ash... - Blu Z 14:42:49 11/24/04 im allllll for new ideas and trying them - genic 14:49:06 11/24/04 Exactly. (n/m) - Blu Z 15:46:59 11/24/04 It was a theory I was expressing and there was no claims - Ash's Z 18:00:38 11/24/04 just going by what you stated in your post - genic 18:24:40 11/24/04 I think it was more a matter of interpretation. (n/m) - Ash's Z 18:43:38 11/24/04 See my post...I think your interpretation was skewed. (n/m) - dilly yo 23:04:03 11/24/04 You were stirring the pot. (n/m) - Greg (Dallas) 15:30:11 11/24/04 bah humbug - genic 18:25:16 11/24/04 Not arguing or anything but it has been shown on a flowbench - Ash's Z 16:50:52 11/24/04 I think the problem starts when the plug fires. - Marshall 17:20:30 11/24/04 so you have to buy $80 spark plugs? (n/m) - Halo Z 14:46:27 11/24/04 That's a good reason too. (n/m) - Blu Z 16:00:48 11/24/04 NKG plugs for the NA (shorter) have a higher list price. (n/m) - YugoBernie (NoVA) 16:25:16 11/24/04 witch make NO since, hehe. (n/m) - Halo Z 17:52:33 11/24/04 ding - aliaZ 14:57:09 11/24/04 If the same engineers built every engine so it operated - DAYTONAZ 16:12:38 11/24/04 Yeah, look at all the junk aftermarket parts. - Marshall 16:36:16 11/24/04 I wasn't referencing my observation to junk aftermarket - DAYTONAZ 18:55:35 11/24/04 well hoe much more would it have cost the engineers - dilly yo 23:13:23 11/24/04 it's never cost effective to optimize performance - aliaZ 16:50:40 11/24/04 repost (n/m) - College Boy 17:16:57 11/24/04 liar!!1 (n/m) - aliaZ 00:44:50 11/25/04 I agree, and it can also be argued from the other direction - RSR 16:45:43 11/24/04 I dont have flowrates for these heads, but I know that they - Ash's Z 16:53:16 11/24/04 It's kewl, like I said, you may very well be right. (n/m) - RSR 20:51:08 11/24/04 I would think the reason the set the plug lower in - Spddracer 18:28:48 11/24/04 I look forward to the proof you'll provide. - Marshall 13:47:03 11/24/04 Think: If it costs a dime more, don't do it. - dpjax 14:00:59 11/24/04 Perhaps you should read his post again. - Kenny 14:37:24 11/24/04 Think: If it costs a dime more, don't do it. - dpjax 14:42:49 11/24/04 Umm... we heard that one already. (n/m) - Snoguitar 14:47:06 11/24/04 A technical challenge. :) Well, I didn't mean for my post - Ash's Z 17:52:14 11/24/04 I think you have a sound theory, you'll just have to - DAYTONAZ 19:15:30 11/24/04 Also, don't forget to index the plugs. (n/m) - DAYTONAZ 19:18:23 11/24/04 a little better than the drimal job i did 32 MONTHS ago. (n/m) - Halo Z 14:08:08 11/24/04 Dremel* (n/m) - Blu Z 14:44:15 11/24/04 HAHA, Ash your shameless, you know noone can argue with - silverZman 14:40:55 11/24/04 until this has been PROVEN on the VG heads - genic 14:55:11 11/24/04 I don't know whether this alteration is right or wrong for - dilly yo 15:29:04 11/24/04 I have a theory on this one - Marshall 16:43:14 11/24/04 well I think peoplehave to be responsible for their own - dilly yo 22:58:24 11/24/04 Re: Even my 3-year old son knows proper plug selection. >> - hades 15:40:46 11/24/04 Here is a NA sized plug in a TT head: - YugoBernie (NoVA) 16:28:21 11/24/04 iwas looking for that pic. i missed it. - Halo Z 17:56:10 11/24/04 FWIW, I also removed my spark plug boss - aliaZ 16:45:13 11/24/04 You can also run extended tip copper plugs . (n/m) - AzHeat 17:07:29 11/24/04 you should dyno with both plug types - maglito 17:09:18 11/24/04 I plan on it eventually (n/m) - aliaZ 00:46:45 11/25/04 dyno and egt numbers should be compared for running - AzHeat 17:25:22 11/24/04 After all the chaos and dumb ass posts caused by your post.. - College Boy 17:18:25 11/24/04 Old news, i posted that a long time ago and ppl flamed me - TwinTurboPoweredZ 05:29:09 11/25/04 but then again im sure he gave me the shortys cause i had - TwinTurboPoweredZ 05:57:33 11/25/04
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